If you’ve been following the news in Houston, you may have seen the second trial of Terry Thompson, who was being tried again (after a hung jury where 11 of the 12 jurors were ready to find him not guilty) for the murder of John Hernandez.

While I don’t have all the facts that the jury was presented, and I readily agree that the death of a 24-year-old young man is a tragedy, I also am disturbed by comments made during closing arguments by the prosecuting attorney, who replayed a video that showed Thompson choking/controlling Hernandez.

The events leading to that encounter include but are not limited to these:

  • Thompson and his wife were at a Denny’s restaurant
  • Hernandez was also there – outside, intoxicated at some level, and urinating in the bushes / grass / side of the building.
  • Thompson’s wife (a former Harris County Sheriff’s deputy) was also present and active with Thompson in approaching Hernandez.
  • Thompson and his wife approached Hernandez and in some fashion told him that urinating in public was not advisable.
  • During the exchange of words, Hernandez struck Thompson in the face.
  • A fight ensued, and Thompson was able to control the violent Hernandez with a chokehold.

These facts, as I see it, are not as critical as the facts presented below:

  • During the fight, when Thompson had Hernandez controlled through a choke, Hernandez “tapped out.” Which, in the world of self-defense, means absolutely nothing.

The truth is, you’d be a fool to release someone (from a control position) that has shown a willing propensity to be violent to you and/or your wife, because that person “taps out.” Tapping out is a cultural phenomenon in the sporting world; it means nothing when someone is trying to violently attack you and/or loved ones.

Isn’t tapping out in a self-defense situation akin to the attacker asking the person defending himself to trust the attacker? Has the attacker shown that is trustworthy? Certainly not in this case.

Should Thompson have let Hernandez free when Hernandez tapped?

What guarantee did Terry Thompson have that if he let go of Hernandez that the violence would stop – as opposed to escalate?

What assurances did Thompson have that Hernandez wouldn’t go after his wife?

Did Hernandez have a concealed weapon or one stashed in a vehicle or elsewhere nearby that he wanted to access and use?

Would Hernandez go to his vehicle only to use it as a weapon against Thompson and his wife?

Is it reasonable to believe that a violent, intoxicated, 24 year-old-man that has made the decision to expose himself and urinate outside a Denny’s restaurant within view of others (with a bathroom readily available inside the Denny’s) is going to – after tapping out – immediately change the character, tone and tenor of his behavior?

Or, is it abundantly clear that the choices the violent man has made are powerful indicators about his likely future behavior should he have the opportunity to again engage in violence?

The truth is evident. The variables and the secondary danger are so prolific in this situation – to the extent that it makes absolutely no sense to release a violent attacker from any control position. To ask Thompson to acknowledge and accept tapping out in this situation is to ask him to put himself and his wife back into a high risk situation – not to mention the safety of the other people who were present at Denny’s at the time.

Isn’t it reasonable to believe that a violent attacker who “taps out” is not, in fact, surrendering, but instead lying about his intentions in order to re-engage, prolong or increase the danger to those he’s attacked? Of course it is.

Therefore, is the most reasonable action – in a situation where a person is acting lawfully and is then physically and violently attacked – to launch a defense and in the course of that defense to remain in control of the fight if that becomes a possibility? Of course it is.

Finally, are these conclusions ones that must be arrived at through deep thought and contemplation? No. These conclusions become apparent in the process of defending life and quality of life. This decision lives in the fight or flight response and the base understanding that danger is present and active.

A violent encounter is tense, uncertain, rapidly evolving, and debilitating (both mentally and physically). The flight or flight reflex dumps a chemical concoction into the system, fine motor skills are unavailable, and the average IQ can fall up to 50 points. It is unreasonable to ask someone being attacked to make complex decisions that require complex thought. For instance, weighing the many variables required to decide when and how to release someone from a control position – as opposed to controlling the situation while waiting for law enforcement to arrive.

In fact, it’s entirely possible that someone defending his life might not feel the tapping of the violent attacker – not that this matters (as I’ve outlined above).

It’s also possible that the defender has no idea what a “tap” means in the world of mixed martial arts – not that this matters (a violent encounter is not a sport where fighters tap out and should never be seen as such).

Here’s my substantial concern. In closing arguments, the prosecuting attorney showed the video of Thompson’s choke/control hold. At some point, Hernandez taps out – after punching Thompson in the face and continuing the fight.

When Hernandez taps, the prosecuting attorney says to the jury, “At the moment 24-year-old John Hernandez gives up…at the moment 24-year-old John Hernandez taps out and you (Thompson) continue, it’s certainly not self defense and it’s murder.”

Folks, those words couldn’t be more misleading, false or dangerous to those forced into self-defense situations.

Clearly, the prosecuting attorney doesn’t understand the essence of danger and the specific need to avoid secondary and/or on-going danger in a self-defense situation.

If the jury heard the prosecutor’s assertion and gave it any weight at all in the decision process, there’s a very real problem here.

If the prosecuting attorney’s core argument and summation of the case is reflected in his comments about self-defense versus murder, Thompson should be freed, because his argument is flawed and false.

Had Hernandez surrendered by physically withdrawing from the fight, and essentially creating an increasingly safe space for Thompson to accept (as opposed to attempt to continue the fight), Thompson likely would have gone too far in pursing Hernandez (although a reasonable argument can be made to the contrary).

Instead, the circumstances of the fight took the men to the ground where a choke/control hold was utilized by Thompson to attempt to stop the ongoing danger.

In his scenario, Hernandez’s “tapping out” did not allow Thompsons a safe and reasonable means of extricating himself from danger, due to the proximity and exposure the scenario presented. It’s that simple.

If this is our new self-defense standard, we are all in significant jeopardy.

Our collective right to self-defense cannot be infringed.

If Thompson’s verdict and 25 year prison sentence stands, does our right to self-defense effectively end when a violent attacker says he “gives up?”

Do we have a legal duty, as the prosecutor said Thompson did, to retreat once a violent attacker signals that he’s giving up – even if that means to comply increases the danger to the party employing self-defense?

What words and/or hand gestures are now acceptable as signaling the end of a violent encounter that require me and all other residents of Harris County to retreat from our right to self defense (and hope the violence stops at great personal risk to each of us)? This slope is a very slippery one.

Finally, what informal or formal precedent does this decision set legally or otherwise?

Wouldn’t you, if you were a violent criminal, use the tap out tactic during a violent encounter you have initiated to move from disadvantage and regain an advantage, as you seek to complete your objective – violently if needed?

Doesn’t the claim made by the prosecutor surrounding self-defense turned murder fail to produce even rudimentary logic or an understanding of danger – given the nature self defense and the realities of the grappling?

If Terry Thompson’s conviction is predicated upon the prosecutor’s assertion that the right to self-defense ends when a violent attacker taps out, shouldn’t Thompson be freed?

If this is our new self-defense standard, we should all be afraid – very afraid.

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  1. David Ferrell

    Wow I can’t believe what’s happening to Texas. Years ago I would have thought it unthinkable here. Now Cruz wins by a narrow margin and The local DA wants to imprison a man for the rest of his life for defending himself and his wife. Strange days indeed! Thanks for sharing!

  2. Etti

    All of the above stand truth. Sadly so!
    All of the above stand truth to all of our rights to defend ourselves, which includes even furthermore, more imminent attack danger such with a knive or a weapon. As if one being attacked by a knife yielded “loon” (excuse my description to an otherwise lack of better description), got control over the knife, can’t (or most likely shouldn’t) assume the attacker will automatically be ready for a peaceful departure from the violent scene just mastered. Once an attacker use violent, physical gesture, he most very likely will stay in an adrenaline infused state of mind for a good few minutes.
    Our right to defend ourselves, dear ones and bystanders should be respected, encouraged and supported. It is a shame, and yes, very frightening to continue being proven that our basic rights are being twisted and denied by corrupted educted people at our court of law system.

  3. Johnny

    Sorry have to disagree. How many times have we gone over where does self defense start and where does it end? Too many times to count. Safest way to go about it was to keep attacking your attacker or attackers until they stop moving or life leaves their bodies when defending your HOME. Out on the town on the other hand, you have to go by the old saying of “big brother is always watching” or someone is always recording. That being said, the sheer size of Terry Thompson was enough to crush his “attacker”. Too many what if’s to go through. Facts are Terry was in a dominant position and his attacker was no longer a threat to anyone including himself. At that point the fight is over!!! Adrenaline dumps don’t last that long and a clear mind should have prevailed. Fear on the other hand took over and Terry Thompson did not let go if the choke or take his weight off of Hernandez probably sending Hernandez into cardiac arrest. I will admit, I didn’t think he would get charged with murder. Maybe involuntary manslaughter, but that was one hell of a prosecutor.

    • CJK

      cJohnny – good night sweetie Lucy; I don’t know where you got these ideas (not in my classes). You are conflating and confusing your opinion, speculation, the rules/concepts of MMA, and good judgement with the law. Regardless of how you feel about the altercation, the fact is Terry Thompson was acting lawfully when Hernandez punched him; the fight went to the ground where Thompson was able to gain an advantage that he held until he knew it was safe to extricate himself. Relinquishing a dominant position in such close quarters is clearly dangerous and substantially increases the risk to Thompson – who has no idea what Hernandez’s intentions are or if he is armed, etc. You cannot possibly know – as you write – that Hernandez was going to change his character and tone after tapping out. What Thompson did know, without question, was that Hernandez was willing to be violent over the suggestion that he stop breaking the law and civil customs by urinating outside the Denny’s. Thompson did know that Hernandez was exercising very poor judgment with violence. And, Thompson knew that in his dominant position – as long as he held it – that Hernandez was contained and seemingly unable to become violent again. To get to the truth, you have to see this altercation from an objective standpoint – where reasonably managing risk is the dominant issue (not size or weight among many other distractions you mentioned above). Don’t confuse the tragedy with the legal issues at hand. The prosecutor likely (I hope) didn’t really know the difference between fighting and self defense – neither did the jury (if the closing argument is the lynchpin in the prosecutors agreement). Go back and read the article where I clearly outline the logic chain that addresses the issues in conflating facts with feelings.